BAG TAG RULES

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Permalink Reply by Administrator on June 8, 2009 at 2:25pm

The one and only rule that i know so far is that you only have one chance to not take a challenge. If you are challenged and don't take the first challenge and are challenged again by the same person and don't take that challenge you forfeit your tag to that person. This in brief mean you can only defer one time or the next time you forfeit.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Pommier on June 10, 2009 at 8:28am

The official rules should have been determined and approved at the time of approval of the $10 fee to purchase the tags. These rules are apparently in limbo somewhere, and there is confusion among tag holders as to the actual rules. The members that have purchased these tags deserve to have these official rules posted at the time of purchase, and should address these questions:
1. What is the payout?
2. # of challenges accepted/declined.
3. If someone sells a lower number tag, does this constitute a successful challenge?
4. Tee-pad selection during challenge.
5. Are other rules able to be changed/established by the lower tag holder upon challenge?
6. Determination upon a tie game?

Also, for the $10 fee, the final pot of money should be quite substantial. It seems fair that the lower tag holders should be required to be present for challenges several times each month, at least.
~Mark

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Permalink Reply by Administrator on June 10, 2009 at 3:10pm

This board was set up so that you can see who has what tag and a challenge can be presented from the site. Now as far as the tee pad selection that is determined by the person with the lowest bag tag. You can only deny a bag tag challenge once if that same person challenges you again and you decided not to play then you forfeit your bag tag to that person. Also the lowest bag tag can make up any rules but you as the challenger or the chanellengie have to right to accept or deny that challenge.The way that a tie is determined is that the person with the lowest bag tag either keeps his or her tag or that person has the right to say lets have a play off. As far as selling a bag tag goes if you sell your bag tag that is like forfeiting your bag tag for a price and should be considered a forfeit or will not play.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Pommier on June 11, 2009 at 9:16am

Thank, I appreciate your reply. Respectfully, I'd like a board member to show me where exactly the rules for this bag tag are posted. Also, please answer these specific questions individually, based on your reply, and also based on my first discussion questions:
1. Where are the official rules posted that identify the number of challenges/declines, etc?
2. When were the tags issued, and when do the '09 tags expire?
3. What is the payout upon expiration? Does tag #1 get the entire fund? Does the association receive any portion of that money?
4. Are there a certain number of challenges that must be accepted by the lower tag number per season? Per month?

Per your reply, the lower tag hold can simply invent rules upon challenge. Here is a hypothetical challenge: Tag #2 challenges Tag #1. The #1 tag holder makes up these rules: Play from the pro tee; challenger must use weak hand the entire game; challenger may only use one disc, that being a putter; challenger must play naked; challenger must play with eyes closed.

Now, upon reading that, I'll wager that your reply will be that the rules made up by the lower tag number must be observed by both players. I'll reply by asking to see where this is in the official rules. But we can't consult the official rules because there aren't any. Is there a method by which higher tag holders, when presented with unreasonable rules by the lower tag holder, can question or otherwise file protest?

Also, concerning the Wednesday evening (last evening) individual competition, we were required to turn in our bag tags, and they were distributed from the winner receiving the lower number, and on down the line. At least one competitor last evening did not possess a tag. When competing against that player in last evening's tournament setting, I may theoretically adjust my style of play when I'm defending a tag, versus strategy when engaged merely in competitive individual play.

My point in this discussion is that since we were required to possess HDGA membership for $10, in order to pay an additional $10 for the tag, it's quite reasonable and prudent for tag purchasers to expect to know the parameters of play prior to making the decision to purchase a tag. In short, the HDGA should have these rules in place, discussed thoroughly, and posted, upon issuance of the tags.

I understand the premise behind tag issuance, and I enjoy the competition. This will turn out to be a big chunk of money, and all members purchasing the tag, in all fairness, should have basic rules and guidelines for that competition spelled out in advance. No disrespect intended, folks.
~Mark

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Permalink Reply by Bruce on June 13, 2009 at 11:47am

I have just been playig by the rules that were posted last year. I do not know if they are the same as what they adopted this year with the price increase. But as you said until they get posted Ill just keep to the old ones.
4, 5, Remember tho. "bag-tags" arn not ment to be extreamly strict. You can make up the weird rules like you said if you really wanted. But all players involved are to play under the agreed rules. DO NOT break laws. Streaking is out. drinking if you miss your put out. playing with only putters well could be intersting maby if your stuck at a lower number and are so good that you cant lose you would like to try something FUN.
3. as far as I know selling of your tag in every rule I have seen is against the spirt of the tag challange.
6. you must win to take the lower number tag. Tie dose not equal a win in any defintion I know of. In a mulitiple tag challange the lower tag will take the lower tag of the two tied.
bob started with tag 1, jill started with tag 10, frank started with tag 13, and billybob started with tag 69.
after the round
bob 60,
jill 63
frank 61
billybob 60
bob and billybob tie at 60 both tag 1 and 10 "two lowest" will go to them. bob had the lowest tag at the start of the round so is awarede tag 1, billybob gets tag 10, frank gets tag 13 and jill gets the 69.
as for 1, I havent heard any talk about this, Im guessing it was discussed in the meeting when they raced the prices but I havent seen anything on it yet. As far as I know meetings are being held as boardmember only meetings.
After saying all this just remember FUN. Whatever you do try to have fun, Dont be the guy that gets #1 and wont play, be the guy with #1 and has tons of storys to tell about how its defended in 90mph winds 100 foot puts for the defend, ect.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Pommier on June 15, 2009 at 9:27am

Thanks, Bruce, I appreciate your insights! Development of simple guidelines and access to them will help.
~Mark

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Permalink Reply by Rit on June 16, 2009 at 12:22pm

The rule for the bag tags were written and posted last year and they have not changed. Now since there were no minutes recorded during the last administration I have no way of nowing what was said or the results of a vote on the bag tags. I do beleave Bruce the former vice president was the author of the rules on how bag tags would be used and all HDGA members would be greatly aprreciative of Bruce if he would get the old rules posted or given to a new member of the board so they can be posted. Bag tags are a form of making money for the club. There is no cash payout to no one at the end of the year,This money goes for the promotion of the sport.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce on June 25, 2009 at 12:41pm

This was sent to all active members Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:12 AM

What's Bag Tag?
Bag Tag is a basically a challenge ladder. The goal is to get and keep the lowest number tag you can. Tags are typically won and lost over an 18 hole round of golf.
Anyone with a higher tag number can challenge anyone with a lower tag number. Challenges can be made before any round of golf has started. If two or more people with tags are going to be playing a round of golf together anyway, the challenge can not be refused. The challenge can take place on any course and can involve any number of tag holders assuming everyone is playing the course at the same time. At the end of the round the tags are re-assigned to the golfers with the lowest score receiving the lowest number tag. In the event of a tie, the golfer with the lowest starting tag takes possession of the lowest tag available to the tied golfers.

Bag Tag Rules:
You must be a HDGA member to purchase a tag.
1) Tags must be attached to bags in a visible location and carried at all times.
2) Be prepared to exchange tags every time you golf (good or bad). This is what it is all about. You MUST HAVE YOUR TAG WITH YOU! That is why it's called a "BAG TAG." Keep it on your bag at all times.
3) Any tag number may challenge any other tag number.
4) Ties are won by the holder of the lower bag tag at the beginning of the round.
5) If you have to leave during a challenge round for any reason you will forfeit your tag and graciously accept the highest numbered tag in the group. If play is stopped by all players before completion due to hazardous weather, physical emergency, or mutual agreement, no tags are exchanged.
6) You can't play back-to-back challenge rounds against the same player. A player can't challenge you, lose to you, and immediately challenge you again for another round. However, if ALL parties agree, consecutive round challenges are allowed. Challenges MUST be verbally agreed upon at the beginning of EACH round.
7) Conduct yourself within the spirit of the game. Have fun! It's only a tag.


This is the rules that was aproved by the HDGA in April 2008.
I have been using these rules when I play as there isnt any other rules posted.
I apoligize I didnt get to post these sooner but I was never aproched about the rules or the fee increase on the tags for 2009 year. When I aproched the meeting the night the fee increase was being discused I was told that I was not to be there and to go away. I guess I just missunderstood. I thought that you did not want me there. but Im getting impression now that-
You didnt want me there for just that dissusion but after that it was ok to talk about what was discussed and I should share my thoughts.
My apoligys,
Old Bag Tag rules posted.
And remember dont forget to ask if you need things, the Old board members I suspect have a great deal of information that could be useful.

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Permalink Reply by Rit on June 25, 2009 at 9:50pm

Thanks Bruce I will have these rules posted for all hdga members to see up at the park
Bruce said:

This was sent to all active members Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:12 AM

What's Bag Tag?
Bag Tag is a basically a challenge ladder. The goal is to get and keep the lowest number tag you can. Tags are typically won and lost over an 18 hole round of golf.
Anyone with a higher tag number can challenge anyone with a lower tag number. Challenges can be made before any round of golf has started. If two or more people with tags are going to be playing a round of golf together anyway, the challenge can not be refused. The challenge can take place on any course and can involve any number of tag holders assuming everyone is playing the course at the same time. At the end of the round the tags are re-assigned to the golfers with the lowest score receiving the lowest number tag. In the event of a tie, the golfer with the lowest starting tag takes possession of the lowest tag available to the tied golfers.

Bag Tag Rules:
You must be a HDGA member to purchase a tag.
1) Tags must be attached to bags in a visible location and carried at all times.
2) Be prepared to exchange tags every time you golf (good or bad). This is what it is all about. You MUST HAVE YOUR TAG WITH YOU! That is why it's called a "BAG TAG." Keep it on your bag at all times.
3) Any tag number may challenge any other tag number.
4) Ties are won by the holder of the lower bag tag at the beginning of the round.
5) If you have to leave during a challenge round for any reason you will forfeit your tag and graciously accept the highest numbered tag in the group. If play is stopped by all players before completion due to hazardous weather, physical emergency, or mutual agreement, no tags are exchanged.
6) You can't play back-to-back challenge rounds against the same player. A player can't challenge you, lose to you, and immediately challenge you again for another round. However, if ALL parties agree, consecutive round challenges are allowed. Challenges MUST be verbally agreed upon at the beginning of EACH round.
7) Conduct yourself within the spirit of the game. Have fun! It's only a tag.


This is the rules that was aproved by the HDGA in April 2008.
I have been using these rules when I play as there isnt any other rules posted.
I apoligize I didnt get to post these sooner but I was never aproched about the rules or the fee increase on the tags for 2009 year. When I aproched the meeting the night the fee increase was being discused I was told that I was not to be there and to go away. I guess I just missunderstood. I thought that you did not want me there. but Im getting impression now that-
You didnt want me there for just that dissusion but after that it was ok to talk about what was discussed and I should share my thoughts.
My apoligys,
Old Bag Tag rules posted.
And remember dont forget to ask if you need things, the Old board members I suspect have a great deal of information that could be useful.

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